Title: Illegal Aliens board the spaceship
Sponsor Names: Senator Exnicios and Senator Preston
Purpose: The goal is to weaken the economic incentive for immigrants to sneak across the U.S.-Mexico border .
This law prohibits people from hiring illegal immigrants and requires all businesses to verify the employment eligibility of workers through a federal database.
Under the new law, employers who knowingly hire illegal immigrants will pay a fine of $ (a certain percentage of their monthly earnings?), second time violators will pay a double fine of $ and third time violators will have their business license suspended for up to 30 days.
These pictures show that illegal immigration is an increasing issue in the United States and that this is an issue that needs to be addressed immediately.
As of Thursday, February 21, 2008 at 11:56 AM
Live Data
Illegal Immigrants in Country
21,381,237
OTM Illegals In Country
530,928
Money Wired to Mexico Since Jan 2006
$24,762,657,044
Money Wired to Latin America Since '01
$233,416,665,871
Cost of Social Services for Illegal Immigrants Since 1996
$397,446,540,753
Children of Illegals in Public Schools
4,274,265
Cost of Illegals in K-12 Since 1996
$13,845,099,182
Illegal Immigrants Incarcerated
358,405
Cost of Incarcerations Since 2001
$1,387,130,806
Illegal Immigrant Fugitives
671,478
Anchor Babies Since 2002
1,914,125
Skilled Jobs Taken by Illegal Immigrants
10,374,734
Super News! The Immigration Debate
Overview:
goes back to the time of the pilgrims - how we were immigrants from England immigrating into the Native American's land because our conditions were bad.
Anti-Immigration view
addresses building a fence to keep them out
all are not welcome and are considered illegal
we can send them back to where they came from at any time
View #2
required to register with our guest indian program and after living in harmony with the land for 6 years they will be given an identification card that must be presented at various locations
Pro-Immigration view
basic human right to work and live in the United States
they came because their homeland is awful
its not a big deal - they will not have an impact on our lives
they aren't immigrating they are simply migrating
if we welcome them no harm will come to us
Watch the clip here!
Survey
1. Are you a Republican or a Democrat?
2. What is your position on illegal immigration?
3. Would you pass this bill? Why or why not?
Lawyer Responses
Brian Engeron
1. Republican
2. My position on illegal immigration is that the United States government,
to insure the safety of and so as to monitor/account for those crossing its
borders, to insure a legal workforce that is contributing to the
productivity and welfare of the American economy, and to insure a reasonable
and sustainable approach to continued legal immigration, should be taking
every opportunity to stop illegal immigration and to return those who are
here illegally to their country of origin.
3. I would support the bill, but not "as is", and not as a "first-strike"
measure. I would prefer to see it come with a package of or subsequent to
other bills that reaffirm the country's commitment to stopping illegal
immigration, particularly at the points of entry. I think we, as a nation,
have the technology and resources to do an exponentially better job of
stopping people from illegally crossing our borders. But, there does not
appear to be the will to do so. I think we need to beef up patrols on the
border and erect, if not an actual barricade, at least a virtual fence - one
that can detect and alert of human presence thereby assisting border patrols
in their duties.
Having said all of that, I agree that employers need to be held accountable
in monitoring the status of their workforce, and placing a significant
burden on them is warranted as a part of the overall effort. However, I
think the bill, as presently proposed, places the employer in too precarious
of a position. I would prefer to see a series of fines in place for
violations rather than a revocation of someone's license to do business.
While the use of the word "knowingly" in the bill would suggest that the
penalty is being imposed upon a violating employer with "scienter" (or
guilty knowledge), I think it becomes difficult to tell, particularly in a
large company with thousands of employees, what was known by whom and when
and how that should translate to the company's knowledge as a whole. You
could, perhaps, preserve such a revocation (assuming the federal government
has the authority to do so) for true repeat violators, thus softening some
of that concern.
If we are talking about this bill simply by itself, however, I probably
could not support it. By itself, the bill places too much risk on
employers, essentially shifting the burden to them to do the "policing" that
is supposed to be happening on the "front lines". It also does not
eliminate all economic incentives for illegals because there are employment
opportunities in this country that would not jeopardize anyone's business
license. One such example, although there may be numerous others, would
include things like domestic help. Also, the bill would not deter anyone
illegally crossing our borders to engage in criminal activity or someone
with no intention to procure employment of any sort. These are individuals
for whom the economic incentive, or more appropriately the lack thereof,
would be meaningless.
Lisa Africk
I am a registered independent and no one cares what we think.
Guy DeLaup
I am a Republican. I know it has become an insurmountable problem but I believe that our government has done a poor job of enforcing our immigration laws. I like your proposed bill. I believe more responsibility should be placed on employers who hire illegal aliens. Guy deLaup
Anthony D. Irpino
1. Democrat
2. I believe that we need to curb illegal immigration
3. I would support the suggested bill as long as it did not illegally or unresponsibly infringe upon basic rights.
Melanie Lagarde
1. An Independent, but more on the Democratic edge.
2. I think our government should be stricter on illegal immigration as it imposes incredibly high costs on our social justice system, including the costs of necessary education, health care, etc. I do not believe that illegal immigrants should be entitled to any of the benefits that we as American citizens have because they are, for the most part, not tax paying individuals.
3. No, probably not. Although I think that there are problems with illegal immigration, I recognize the important role that illegal immigrants play in a society that has too few individuals willing to work in the service industry and also have too few individuals who are able to "come to the rescue" during times of crises like Hurricane Katrina. Illegal immigrants, under the direction of Louisiana companies, are rebuilding New Orleans one piece of sheetrock and one can of paint at a time. I think the goal should be to find a way to allow these people to come temporarily (such as on a 5 year visa), and then have a system that truly does enforce them returning home to build up the communities from which they originally came. This would allow for these immigrants to be tax paying individuals, still without the full benefits of citizenship (such as welfare, social security, or the right to vote), but with the opportunity to earn good money, learn new skills and save for a few years. This would also ensure that these immigrants are not paid less than the minimum wage and are guaranteed some of the minimum safety standards are in place in their employment situation. For an example of an interesting example of this, look at the immigration policies of Bermuda.
Henry Dart
1. Democrat
2. My position is that immigration should not be illegal; we should open the doors. Remember, most of our ancestors were immigrants who didn't have to "apply" for citizenship. The two main reasons why so many American citizens are angry today are that the government provides services to foreigners for which most of them don't pay taxes, and we feel put out to have to press 1 for English or have to flip through the Spanish instructions for our new power mowers before getting to the English ones. These can be taken care of by making sure that all foreign workers pay taxes (make all employers withhold from their paychecks; no cash payments), and requiring that everyone learn English. This last suggestion does not require governmental action. Big corporations pander to the Spanish speeking by providing services in Spanish. If Americans are so angry about this, boycott the bank or the lawnmower company. But, think about this: the last time I went to an ATM maching in Europe, the instructions were in 5 languages. So, what's the big deal?
3. No, I would not pass this bill. (See my reasons above. Laws are already in place to accomplish this.)
IMPORTANT OPINIONS BROUGHT UP IN YOUTUBE VIDEO ON SOLVING ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION
you break into my country im going to take your dna, put you on a plane and send you back to your own country
trial of a small town dealing iwth the impact of illegal immigration
hold onto the english language - we are becoming bilingual and thats not good - its the glue that holds us together
debate = power play
large one sided affair
people responsible are ruling class of american society
people who want to monopolize the definition of american identity
they want to decide who's american and who's not
who's an authentic american - i was born here you were not - get out
is the debate really about jobs?changing governmental policies towards immigration could have a significant impact on the economy
many and more profound ways to transform the american economy
why is this the hot topic?
convenient way for people who control public discourse to merge ordinary working people who feel insecure and uncertain about the future which is made worth with increasing concentration of wealth, resources, and power into the hands of the already wealthy - on the other hand we have controlling public opinion tools like racism scapegoating and manipulation of data for the purpose of fear monging
in danger of using jobs - language - culture - security --> all because of immigrants
protect our country against "aliens"
act of misdirection
sucking profits from our economy - big profits are going to the richest of the rich not immigrants or the middle class
taken people from 3rd world countries and turned them into criminals
lack of awareness among americans
three major players: illegal immigrants vs. less recent immigrants vs. native americans
we are all immigrants except for the native americans
WATCH THE VIDEO
RESTRICTIONS AND LAWS ON IMMIGRATION
The basis of immigration law enforcement today is the McCarran-Walter Act or the Immigration and Nationality Act (INA) of 1952
The INA relied on a national origins quota system -- this system preferred immigrants from the eastern hemisphere and was especially concerned with excluding communists and radicals
After INA, the Immigration Act of 1965 repealed the national origins quota system so that all nations were given an equal chance to immigrate to the United States
If an alien makes an application for admission into the United States, that individual could be rejected if found to be within any of the categories of the I&N Act. Examples of excludable aliens include criminals, prostitutes, those with communicable diseases, and members of communist, or subversive organizations.
the Bureau of Border and Transportation Security (BTS) is a 100,000 employee agency responsible for securing the nation’s borders and transportation infrastructure
Senator Exnicios
CRACKING DOWN ON ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION
Title: Illegal Aliens board the spaceship
Sponsor Names: Senator Exnicios and Senator Preston
Purpose: The goal is to weaken the economic incentive for immigrants to sneak across the U.S.-Mexico border .
http://www.iht.com/articles/ap/2007/07/02/america/NA-GEN-US-Employer-Sanctions.php
These pictures show that illegal immigration is an increasing issue in the United States and that this is an issue that needs to be addressed immediately.
As of Thursday, February 21, 2008 at 11:56 AM
Live Data
Illegal Immigrants in Country
21,381,237
OTM Illegals In Country
530,928
Money Wired to Mexico Since Jan 2006
$24,762,657,044
Money Wired to Latin America Since '01
$233,416,665,871
Cost of Social Services for Illegal Immigrants Since 1996
$397,446,540,753
Children of Illegals in Public Schools
4,274,265
Cost of Illegals in K-12 Since 1996
$13,845,099,182
Illegal Immigrants Incarcerated
358,405
Cost of Incarcerations Since 2001
$1,387,130,806
Illegal Immigrant Fugitives
671,478
Anchor Babies Since 2002
1,914,125
Skilled Jobs Taken by Illegal Immigrants
10,374,734
http://www.immigrationcounters.com/
Super News! The Immigration Debate
Overview:
goes back to the time of the pilgrims - how we were immigrants from England immigrating into the Native American's land because our conditions were bad.
Anti-Immigration view
View #2
Pro-Immigration view
Watch the clip here!
Survey
1. Are you a Republican or a Democrat?
2. What is your position on illegal immigration?
3. Would you pass this bill? Why or why not?
Lawyer Responses
Brian Engeron
1. Republican
2. My position on illegal immigration is that the United States government,
to insure the safety of and so as to monitor/account for those crossing its
borders, to insure a legal workforce that is contributing to the
productivity and welfare of the American economy, and to insure a reasonable
and sustainable approach to continued legal immigration, should be taking
every opportunity to stop illegal immigration and to return those who are
here illegally to their country of origin.
3. I would support the bill, but not "as is", and not as a "first-strike"
measure. I would prefer to see it come with a package of or subsequent to
other bills that reaffirm the country's commitment to stopping illegal
immigration, particularly at the points of entry. I think we, as a nation,
have the technology and resources to do an exponentially better job of
stopping people from illegally crossing our borders. But, there does not
appear to be the will to do so. I think we need to beef up patrols on the
border and erect, if not an actual barricade, at least a virtual fence - one
that can detect and alert of human presence thereby assisting border patrols
in their duties.
Having said all of that, I agree that employers need to be held accountable
in monitoring the status of their workforce, and placing a significant
burden on them is warranted as a part of the overall effort. However, I
think the bill, as presently proposed, places the employer in too precarious
of a position. I would prefer to see a series of fines in place for
violations rather than a revocation of someone's license to do business.
While the use of the word "knowingly" in the bill would suggest that the
penalty is being imposed upon a violating employer with "scienter" (or
guilty knowledge), I think it becomes difficult to tell, particularly in a
large company with thousands of employees, what was known by whom and when
and how that should translate to the company's knowledge as a whole. You
could, perhaps, preserve such a revocation (assuming the federal government
has the authority to do so) for true repeat violators, thus softening some
of that concern.
If we are talking about this bill simply by itself, however, I probably
could not support it. By itself, the bill places too much risk on
employers, essentially shifting the burden to them to do the "policing" that
is supposed to be happening on the "front lines". It also does not
eliminate all economic incentives for illegals because there are employment
opportunities in this country that would not jeopardize anyone's business
license. One such example, although there may be numerous others, would
include things like domestic help. Also, the bill would not deter anyone
illegally crossing our borders to engage in criminal activity or someone
with no intention to procure employment of any sort. These are individuals
for whom the economic incentive, or more appropriately the lack thereof,
would be meaningless.
Lisa Africk
I am a registered independent and no one cares what we think.
Guy DeLaup
I am a Republican. I know it has become an insurmountable problem but I believe that our government has done a poor job of enforcing our immigration laws. I like your proposed bill. I believe more responsibility should be placed on employers who hire illegal aliens. Guy deLaup
Anthony D. Irpino
1. Democrat
2. I believe that we need to curb illegal immigration
3. I would support the suggested bill as long as it did not illegally or unresponsibly infringe upon basic rights.
Melanie Lagarde
1. An Independent, but more on the Democratic edge.
2. I think our government should be stricter on illegal immigration as it imposes incredibly high costs on our social justice system, including the costs of necessary education, health care, etc. I do not believe that illegal immigrants should be entitled to any of the benefits that we as American citizens have because they are, for the most part, not tax paying individuals.
3. No, probably not. Although I think that there are problems with illegal immigration, I recognize the important role that illegal immigrants play in a society that has too few individuals willing to work in the service industry and also have too few individuals who are able to "come to the rescue" during times of crises like Hurricane Katrina. Illegal immigrants, under the direction of Louisiana companies, are rebuilding New Orleans one piece of sheetrock and one can of paint at a time. I think the goal should be to find a way to allow these people to come temporarily (such as on a 5 year visa), and then have a system that truly does enforce them returning home to build up the communities from which they originally came. This would allow for these immigrants to be tax paying individuals, still without the full benefits of citizenship (such as welfare, social security, or the right to vote), but with the opportunity to earn good money, learn new skills and save for a few years. This would also ensure that these immigrants are not paid less than the minimum wage and are guaranteed some of the minimum safety standards are in place in their employment situation. For an example of an interesting example of this, look at the immigration policies of Bermuda.
Henry Dart
1. Democrat
2. My position is that immigration should not be illegal; we should open the doors. Remember, most of our ancestors were immigrants who didn't have to "apply" for citizenship. The two main reasons why so many American citizens are angry today are that the government provides services to foreigners for which most of them don't pay taxes, and we feel put out to have to press 1 for English or have to flip through the Spanish instructions for our new power mowers before getting to the English ones. These can be taken care of by making sure that all foreign workers pay taxes (make all employers withhold from their paychecks; no cash payments), and requiring that everyone learn English. This last suggestion does not require governmental action. Big corporations pander to the Spanish speeking by providing services in Spanish. If Americans are so angry about this, boycott the bank or the lawnmower company. But, think about this: the last time I went to an ATM maching in Europe, the instructions were in 5 languages. So, what's the big deal?
3. No, I would not pass this bill. (See my reasons above. Laws are already in place to accomplish this.)
IMPORTANT OPINIONS BROUGHT UP IN YOUTUBE VIDEO ON SOLVING ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION
you break into my country im going to take your dna, put you on a plane and send you back to your own country
trial of a small town dealing iwth the impact of illegal immigration
hold onto the english language - we are becoming bilingual and thats not good - its the glue that holds us together
debate = power play
large one sided affair
people responsible are ruling class of american society
people who want to monopolize the definition of american identity
they want to decide who's american and who's not
who's an authentic american - i was born here you were not - get out
is the debate really about jobs?changing governmental policies towards immigration could have a significant impact on the economy
many and more profound ways to transform the american economy
why is this the hot topic?
convenient way for people who control public discourse to merge ordinary working people who feel insecure and uncertain about the future which is made worth with increasing concentration of wealth, resources, and power into the hands of the already wealthy - on the other hand we have controlling public opinion tools like racism scapegoating and manipulation of data for the purpose of fear monging
in danger of using jobs - language - culture - security --> all because of immigrants
protect our country against "aliens"
act of misdirection
sucking profits from our economy - big profits are going to the richest of the rich not immigrants or the middle class
taken people from 3rd world countries and turned them into criminals
lack of awareness among americans
three major players: illegal immigrants vs. less recent immigrants vs. native americans
we are all immigrants except for the native americans
WATCH THE VIDEO
RESTRICTIONS AND LAWS ON IMMIGRATION
"Illegal immigration to the United States." Wikipedia, The Free Encyclopedia. 21 Feb 2008, 15:37 UTC. Wikimedia Foundation, Inc. 21 Feb 2008 <http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=illegal_immigration_to_the_united_states&oldid=193049542>.
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